under the thumb
3:15 Thu Oct 26
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Remember the Liverpool home game for all the wrong reasons when it was confirmed we were down.
I was in the chicken run that day, passed down the front with the rest of the kids. Great days when going to games was special. My two boys will never ever get to experience that in their lives I'm afraid.
To compound losing we came out the ground walked back to the car and it had been towed away to the police compound and we had to catch a bus to Woolwich. My old man went mentle! We'd parked up early in the morning with no cones saying parking was restricted to go and get some school shoes.
Football wise that season I remember Merv the swerve was in goal and he was struggling. As for Lyall he never got much stick.
Today's squad compared to then is better equipped than they were and I genuinely don't fear relegation this season
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bill green
1:28 Thu Oct 26
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I think Radford scored on his debut for his next club
Hales..he played well for Charlton with Micky Flanagan and we put a bid in for both but then they had a punch up on the field whilst on the same side, so we only bought the shi* one
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Northern Sold
1:00 Thu Oct 26
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Taylor was not a bad player when he started but he just got fat.... always thought Kevin Lock was going to end up a better player than he did...
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normannomates
12:59 Thu Oct 26
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Tommy Taylor..now there's a classic.
Derek Hales..blinding player..suddenly turned to dogshit after we signed him...sound familiar?
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normannomates
12:48 Thu Oct 26
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Bullet
I was on a wind up mate..apoligies
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Bullet
12:42 Thu Oct 26
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bill green 12:32 Thu Oct 26
I remember everyone singing "Give us a goal Raddy" as he just couldn't score for so many games. It became a joke in the end. Tommy Taylor was one of the worst CB's that ever pulled on the shirt imho.
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Bullet
12:38 Thu Oct 26
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normannomates 4:05 Thu Oct 26
Apologises wasn't mean't to get my cock out, didn't see you looking tbf. I can't answer the question as just 13 yrs when I went to the 75 cup final. I can't remember what went wrong, things weren't dissected like today on social media, all I can say is that Lyall had given the fans much success prior to relegation and after great man that he was, and I was pleased to be around to witness most all of it, with the exception of the European away games as too young to go.
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bill green
12:32 Thu Oct 26
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We had some poor players that season - Mervyn Day had lost confidence, couldn't come for a cross and Bobby Ferguson wasn't good enough.
Bill Green, Tommy Taylor and McDowell at the back, Alan Taylor, Radford and Hales up front - all just weren't good enough, despite the heroics of Bonds, Lampard, Brooking and Devonshire.
As someone said earlier the feeling at the Liverpool home game was stunned silence, no one went home. But Lyall wasn't blamed in 78, it was his job to get us back up where we deserved, and we thought it would happen in the next season.
Come the second relegation, 10 years and football had changed, he got a load of abuse, tho in hindsight maybe it should have been the board who had let us down that got the stick.
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Lily Hammer
12:19 Thu Oct 26
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Back to the thread....
Remember, folks, the question or point I'm raising is mostly the idea that someone who was no doubt a great manager could for various reasons manage a team that goes down, even so soon after FA Cup success and near European glory.
I was more interested in whether fans at the time were beginging to think he was clueless, around 1976 to 1978 time.
Obviously there is a Bilic comparrison here. Again, I'm not saying Bilic will be or can be as good as Lyall, but maybe he could, given enough time, even after a relegation. People say heæs clueless, but was th same said about Lyall.
And I'm certainly not saying Bilic could be as good as Ferguson, but I'm half interested to hear the older Man U fans' memories. Were any of them starting to say that Ferguson was clueless in the period leading up to the goal they say that saved his job? He was there a good few years before that.
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normannomates
12:10 Thu Oct 26
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Ted Fenton is what we were .
Total respect my friend
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Lily Hammer
12:10 Thu Oct 26
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Private Dancer 4:19 Thu Oct 26
You can't help yourself, can you? Come on to a West Ham thread calling me a boring old fart and then get upset when you get some mild stuff back. You've got some weird fetish going on there.
DON'T tell me about your childhood and your anal phase.
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ted fenton
12:02 Thu Oct 26
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Lovely man and managed when Football belonged to the working man had the pleasure of attending his testimonial.
He also frequented Reggies Fish & Chip shop in Little Clacton.
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normannomates
11:45 Thu Oct 26
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Even wall find it hard to disrespect John Lyall.
Proper old school gentleman..some bod posted how he'd never heard his voice.
he spoke in a quiet and measured way...not a butch voice by any means..
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gph
10:21 Thu Oct 26
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In one programme there was a couple of lines from some Coventry fans who had got stranded after an evening match at the Boleyn. He had personally helped them out (forgotten exactly how, but it was a long time ago).
Obviously a great bloke, as well as a bloody good manager.
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normannomates
9:47 Thu Oct 26
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Oh Dea....r
Oh dear
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zico
9:40 Thu Oct 26
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normannomates 6:19 Thu Oct 26
Same here, he was Mr West Ham to me growing up. I remember reading that when he left players and staff received a personal hand written letter thanking them for their efforts over the years. There is also a Boys of 86 dinner on DVD where they had a tribute not long after he died and there wasn't a dry eye in the house. I just think he was a man of principle. He had a saying apparently, "It's nice to be important, but it's important to be nice."
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Oh dear
9:07 Thu Oct 26
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Considering the length of time that John Lyall was our manager I'm not sure I ever heard actually speak.
if a clip of John Lyall was played on the radio I know I wouldn't recognise his voice.
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normannomates
6:19 Thu Oct 26
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Brundall
Time has a way of deceiving.
Let's get it straight here. .Johnny Lyall was first and foremost a bloody decent man..I loved the bloke.
There is an old 'big match' video from early 80s when our old kit man was retiring...and John was ribbing him in jest..about not slacking off on the job.
John Lyall was my hero
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normannomates
6:17 Thu Oct 26
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Brundall
Time has a way of deceiving.
Let's get it straight here. .Johnny Lyall was first and foremost a bloody decent man..I loved the bloke.
There is an old 'big match' video from early 80s when our old kit man was retiring...and John was ribbing him in jesthe about not slacking off on the job.
John Lyall was my hero
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geoffpikey
5:08 Thu Oct 26
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Was too young to remember or understand such things. It wasn't that "important" frankly. We'd "just" won the FA Cup, the world's most important sporting competition bar the World Cup, so we fucking ruled. Not that I knew how to swear. It's been non stop glory ever since. HTH.
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Johnson
4:20 Thu Oct 26
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Would have loved to have been a teen during the Lyall era, was born in 81 so too young. Know what he meant to my Dad though and the older lot I know.
Just a shame Billy couldn’t have repeated the era with one of his own.
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